What makes someone an “ultimate athlete”?
In this episode, Ryan interviews Max Shank, Master RKC, on his new book Ultimate Athleticism, and gets his input on this question.
Here’s Max’s answer, in short:
Athleticism is being able to move in a wide range of motion in all of your joints with strength, speed, and coordination.
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- (00:35) Why do things have to be so difficult? Here’s a case for keeping things as simple as possible.
The easy road gets such a bad rap. Why make it more complicated than it has to be?
- (01:48) Who is Max Shank?
- (02:20) How Max got into training.
- (03:15) Max’s gym, Ambition Athletics, just celebrated their 5 year anniversary.
- (03:45) His new book, Ultimate Athleticism
The main goal is complete strength in less time.
- (04:25) If there’s a way to be better with something, I’m gonna do it.
- (05:33) “To me, it’s all about efficiency and economics.”
- (06:15) How many people are actually getting paid for weightlifting? Not a whole lot.
Cut away as much of the fat as possible, make it as efficient as possible, but still make it the best.
- (07:15) The 4 movements Max chose for this program.
- (08:20) This book is not just about these 4 movements – there’s a LOT in there.
If you’re not making a significant living through your athletic performance, you should never sacrifice health for more performance.
- (09:41) What is athleticism?
- (10:31) “The way to be consistent for the longest is to have a sustainable program that’s fun and safe.”
- (12:06) Skill acquisition is about putting in the practice.
- (12:44) What are some things average people should be working on for mobility?
Check your neck!
- (15:34) Why did Max choose the 4 movements included in “Ultimate Athleticism”?
- (20:24) Each of these movements have many variations.
- (23:19) How accessory training and conditioning come into play.
It’s good for your brain to do new things.
- (26:48) The more you lift isn’t necessarily going to correlate with you being a better athlete.
- (27:18) “The goal isn’t to lift the most weight. It’s to be the best athlete.”
- (29:13) You have to find what works for you so it’s sustainable.
- (29:38) You can find Max at ultimateathleticism.com or maxshank.com
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Ryan: All right Max. So what’s up my man? Finally, I get a chance to talk to you. What’s up man? How are you doing? You doing good?
Max: I’m here. It’s a beautiful day. I’m good.
Ryan: We just got to jump into this. It’s kind of like a strength interview because I’m – instead of just introducing you right now, I think we need to keep talking about what we were just talking about before we started recording. Keeping stuff simple, right?
Why does stuff have to be so difficult? So go ahead and say your mind man because you’re going with it.
Max: Well, so what we were talking about is I had obviously just put out that book and I got a little bit of negative feedback. The negative feedback was that it just wasn’t detailed enough. I cover so many different things in the book that the goal isn’t to make it deliberately more complicated. The goal is to pare it down to as simple as possible.
So of course if you can read a book that covers only dead lifting, dude, there better be a lot of detail in there. Otherwise, it can’t be a book.
Ryan: Oh, yeah.
Max: But I don’t want it. Like I was telling you before, the easy road gets such a bad rap. Like, why make it more complicated than it needs to be?
Max: And it doesn’t need to be that way.
Ryan: Yeah. It’s just so funny – it’s just like you were saying. There’s just so much information out there nowadays that people will just think that oh, you should be able to get from this one source or whatever. It’s just crazy. But strip away all the fat. Get to the meat of what’s going on and just do it and oh, yeah, man. I’m just so happy that we’re talking about this. You and I, we’re going to get along really well.
Let’s just go and get into it. I’m talking with Max Shank right now. So Max, we’re talking about your new book Ultimate Athleticism. Before we get too deep into the conversation, can you tell us a little bit about yourself, your background, what’s going on?
Max: Do you want the short version or the long version?
Ryan: Dude, just lay it all out there for us.
Max: Well, I was born in a small town in San Diego. No. So I got into exercise kind of late in the game, relatively late, not too late, when I was about 18 years old. I started as a personal trainer and the only reason I got the job was because I was the only person who showed up to the interview with a tie and a buttoned-down shirt and slacks.
Every other person showed up in gym shorts and tank tops, right? So the guy hired me even though I had no qualifications whatsoever. Like literally the only reason that I went in there was because I saw they were paying $15 an hour and I was like, hey, that’s a lot better than I’m making doing landscape work right now.
So jumped in on that and when I first started training, I couldn’t do one pull-up and I couldn’t touch my toes. So it was fairly pathetic as far as being a man is concerned.
I just kind of – while I was going to college at the time, while I was working, I just found myself kind of like reading some more books and I didn’t hate it. So I just kind of jumped in and several years after that, I was 21. I opened up my gym in Encinitas, California, Ambition Athletics. So we just celebrated our five-year anniversary last August,.
Max: And …
Ryan: That’s good. I mean that’s great that you’re still in business because let’s be honest, there are a lot of people who will put up shop and in a couple of years, they’re done.
Max: I hear about that all the time. Fortunately, I got a good team around me and we do a good job keeping people safe and healthy and getting stronger all the time. So that’s good too.[Music]
Ryan: All right. Let’s jump into your book and your wonderful book, Ultimate Athleticism, and focusing on just really four main movements. That’s your primary thing in here. So what I like about it though is that it’s simplistic and you say, “The main goal is complete strength in less time.” Tell us a little bit about that.
Max: Well, I’m pretty lazy and I’m ridiculously competitive too. So I’ve competed in a lot of sports, Muay Thai, jiu-jitsu, Highland Games and I’m pretty active with other stuff like wakeboarding and basically if there’s a way to get better at it and be active with it, I would like to be better at it and if someone is better than I am, whether this makes sense or not, I kind of hate them just a little bit. All right?
So for me, it’s all about time management and I actually went to school for economics and Spanish. So I’m qualified to sell burritos at fair market value for my job.
But basically, I look at it like an economics equation. So we’re all humans and there are some general qualities that we want to develop and that’s sort of before you start getting into like sports specific and I want to do the least amount of that stuff that I can to get the most benefit because I like to do this other stuff and if I just did back day, going rock climbing or training jiu-jitsu for an hour is probably going to be an absolute nightmare. I’m going to get my face bashed in or my arm ripped off. You know what I’m saying?
Ryan: Oh, yeah.
Max: So to me, it’s all about efficiency and economics.
Max: And what I tried to do was – and maybe it’s partially because the question I get all the time is, “If you had to recommend one book for just general like health, athleticism, longevity, sustainability, that kind of thing, what would you pick?” I didn’t really have like a good answer for that because I have the benefit of having – I don’t know, an obsessive-compulsive personality that loves reading …
Ryan: Yeah, right.
Max: So that was kind of my goal with the book is like, “OK. What should someone do if they don’t have a ton of time?” They’re not a professional strength athlete. They’re going to get paid from dead lifting. I mean first of all, let’s talk about how many people actually make money lifting weights and it is a ridiculously low amount. OK?
Ryan: No, wait a minute. Hold on. I’ve seen all the pictures on Facebook. Those people are getting paid, right?
Max: Oh, yeah.
Ryan: I’m just kidding.
Max: Well, weight lifting is right up there with Highland Games. I mean – and I love Highland Games and I go compete and I was at the world championships last year for the lightweight category and I believe the winner did get a tub of protein powder.
Ryan: Yeah, it’s a high-paying sport.
Max: It was pretty – the prestige and everything was worth it. The love from the fan was really kind of amazing. But anyway, basically it’s just cut away as much of the fat as possible. Make it as efficient as possible but still make it the best and the most fun too.
So what I tried to do was combine some – like you have obviously read, some of that body weight work that’s fun and progressive from a skill standpoint and then take some things that are tried and true like the deadlift which is very user-friendly, extremely beneficial for overall posture, relative to how we are as humans now an then the airborne lunge, which kind of fills in all the gaps that the deadlift leaves from a lower body standpoint. You have the ankle mobility. You have a lot more knee flexion. You got glute activation regardless. A nice single leg balance.
So I actually chose the four movements very carefully, so that they would have like that perfect synergy or at least as perfect as I could get it.
Ryan: I think it does and I mean this is really what drew me to your book is that simplicity. But you’re obviously looking at it in the real world situation kind of thing. So it’s not just trying to throw a particular exercise out there and say, “Hey, this is cool. Let’s try and get it,” kind of thing.
Ryan: And I just want everyone to be clear. The book is not just about these four movements. It’s incredible. I mean I just got to read here like the other sections of your book in there. You’ve got accessory and you’ve got grip work pattern retention and sweating. I like how you did that for the cardio section.
Nutrition, endurance, very, very detailed section on program design and also sample programs. Plus you go into great detail for each of those four main movements.[Music]
Ryan: Oh, man. But something I want to actually go back to is basically what you’re saying. If you’re not making a significant living through your athletic performance, you should never sacrifice health for more performance. Now this is one of the things that you wrote in your book and I thought it was great.
It’s kind of similar to what we were talking about earlier as far as being a professional athlete. I mean let’s be honest. Most of us out there aren’t professional athletes. We’re not getting paid to do any of this kind of stuff.
So it’s kind of silly if we’re just trying to just kill ourselves doing too much work, too much activity in thinking that we should train like a particular professional athlete.
So if you can talk a little bit about your thoughts about that as far as – we’re not professionals. So how should we be working? What should we be striving for? Maybe what is athleticism?
Max: Sure, sure. I mean athleticism is just being able to move in a wide range of motion in all of your joints with strength, speed and coordination. Pretty much point blank. It is what’s going to allow you to adapt best to the most situations and it’s also going to give you the best longevity for that as well.
Ryan: Just as far as the overall training thing, I mean if you’re not making money at your sport, you definitely should never sacrifice your health for more performance because it’s – you get into like this vicious circle where you hurt yourself and then your performance goes down but you try to sacrifice that health for performance again. Now the performance eventually goes down worse.
So you just get into this avalanche of injuries and it’s no good. With training for the average person – and I don’t mean average in a bad way. I’m relatively average.
Ryan: Well, me too. I’m – yeah, yeah.
Max: I don’t make any money by lifting actual weights. I make money teaching people and that’s what I like to do and my whole gym is filled with average people. The main thing is to make it fun, safe and sustainable.
The real magic for people who are really athletic or extremely strong isn’t that they did anything special. They were just consistent for the longest. So the way to be consistent for the longest is to have a sustainable program that’s fun and safe.
So you’re not getting injured. You’re not getting bored. That’s why those like 10 sessions a week training plans never last. That’s why you see so many professional athletes who as soon as they’re done, they put on like 80 pounds.
Ryan: Yeah, they’re done.
Max: They get obese.
Ryan: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Max: So it’s not – the magic doesn’t happen in a short term. It doesn’t no matter what. You can get some cool stuff to happen via like the nervous system and vision training and balance stuff and work on your flexibility and all that stuff is rad.
But if you want the big results, you just have to keep it sustainable over a long time. So it has got to be fun and safe and sustainable. That’s it.
Ryan: So brilliant. I mean it’s exactly what we talk in GMB and I think that’s why I’m so happy to be talking and hear it too. It’s a practice too. You mentioned in your book.
Skill acquisition is about putting in the practice and it isn’t one of those things that are just going to happen over night. It takes time, but it has got to be fun and I love it that you say that because so many people out there think that they should be exercising and it has to be so hard core and if you’re not doing it, throwing up or doing whatever, then you’re not going to be getting it. But sustainability is so important.[Music]
Ryan: Going back a little bit to – you mentioned mobility. So what are some things really that could help people for their mobility? And basically what are some major things that you see overall? You work with a lot of people in your gym, the average person you said. What are some things that you see that people have trouble with mobility and maybe some ideas to help people start working on that?
Max: Sure. I mean this could almost be a whole book in itself, but I will try to keep it as brief as I can. Basically what I try to do – because I’m usually working with a group of people and you can help individuals one at a time and you can diagnose or at least assess their specific problems.
But if you want to help the most people possible, so what I try to do, to do that, is just identify trends. So generally we all know that we sit way too much. So there are some repercussions from that sitting. So people’s hip mobility isn’t good. People’s glute activation isn’t very good.
Their spine doesn’t really rotate or move very well and this is especially true of the thoracic spine which is that middle back, the middle 12 vertebrae. It gets kind of caved forward. Your neck pays the price for that. Your breathing gets all screwed up because now you’re breathing up into your neck and shoulders, 20,000 reps of shrugs every day. So that might be why if you ask any massage therapist, everyone is carrying their tension up here.
I know you’re carrying your tension up here. I don’t have to assess you first. I know that that’s almost a given. Then after that, start working on your shoulders. I mean it’s kind of like those – in martial arts, it’s referred to as the four knots, so it’s the hips and the shoulders. But I also think that being able to move from your spine, being able to twist is really important. It helps a lot and then being able to disassociate your neck from movement is extremely important, because one of the things I see a lot with beginners or people who just are kind of wound up is their neck tenses up and their shoulders elevate for almost everything they want to do.
People are trying to get really, really stiff and they’re actually just making the problem worse. So what I like to have people do, whenever you’re doing an exercise, just add in some little neck rotations to make sure that you’ve got your good shoulder position and I refer to this as just check your neck.
So when I’m teaching a group of people, they will be doing an exercise. Say they’re at the top of a deadlift. I will be like, hey, check your neck. Make sure that they’re in the right position. You’re in a handstand, boom. Check your neck. L-sit, check your neck.
Ryan: That’s so funny you mentioned it, because I do the exact same thing. So when I’m teaching a seminar and there’s a top position, you’re up on the rings. You’re on the rings. You’re doing an L-sit or something.
Max: Check your neck. Boom.
Ryan: Yeah, yeah.
Max: Makes life easy, doesn’t it?
Ryan: Yeah, it does. Yeah.[Music]
Ryan: Let’s go back into the four main movements. Let’s just – if you can – tell us what those four main movements are.
Ryan: And really why did you choose these? Why did you put them together? I mean we already talked a little bit about them …
Max: I will try to give you the short answer. I will try to give you the short answer. I will work back from where I started which were the deadlift and the airborne lunge.
So generally, I like to think of – and again, this is a very general way to look at it – movements as pushing and pulling. A squat would be like a pushing movement. A deadlift would be like a pulling movement.
It just has to do with an easy way to categorize them. So if we can speak a common language, it’s easier to categorize things and put them in the right place.
Max: So to me, whether you do a deadlift or a leg curl on the TRX or a single leg deadlift or a kettlebell swing or a snatch pull or a clean pull or a glute ham raise, to me it’s all just the lower pull. So I don’t care. So that’s kind of where I go into the program with it. But I like the deadlift because I think the benefits are just awesome for the time investment and the learning curve.
Obviously you get great glute activation with it and it’s the opposite movement of sitting down. So we all need that postural benefit. The airborne lunge is sort of the opposite. So that’s the lower push and the reason I like the airborne lunge so much is it disassociates one hip from the other. So, one hip is an extension. One hip is inflexion, much like a gate, so walking, running, sprinting, that sort of thing.
You get fantastic ankle mobility out of the deal. You get great work on your single leg stance which is hugely important for preventing low back pain, knee pain, all these other great things and again because of the nature of the exercise, you still also get good glute activation.
Part of the reason I am so keen on the glute activation thing is we sit on them all the time. Have you ever heard the term “quad dominant” before?
Ryan: Quad dominant, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.
Max: Have you ever heard the term “glute dominant” before? No.
Ryan: Not too much. Yeah.
Max: It doesn’t happen.
Max: So your glutes really can’t be too dominant.
Ryan: You got to work them. Exactly, yeah.
Max: So if I can just assume that that’s true, then most people will have a tendency to be more quad dominant. I just want to hammer away at the posterior chain for almost anybody.
Max: And then if – in those individual cases, then you can maybe do something that’s a little bit more quad dominant and I talk about squats and things like that in the book of course too. So that’s kind of how those two complement each other for the lower body. Real simple and if you stick with those, you’re very much more likely to avoid things like knee pain and back pain that you could get otherwise if you don’t have a good balance training program on the lower body.
For the upper body, I wanted to choose two movements that just gave you as much bang for your buck as possible and that’s what I’m all about, bang for your buck.
Ryan: That’s why I love it. Yeah. When you were writing it in the book, I’m like, “Yeah!”
Max: And the first one is the L-sit to handstand. It’s an awesome movement because your body control awareness and appropriate reception is fantastic. You’re moving your body through space and I always like to do that if I can because I think you just – without trying, you get a lot of more stuff to work.
Max: So the cool thing about L-sit to handstand is if you can hammer away at those, you likely have a pretty strong core. You likely have pretty coordinated hips and legs and also you’re likely going to have very strong shoulders, because you take them through such a varied range of motion. You actually go from shoulder extension in the beginning if you get to that V-sit or even like a manna progression. Pulling through into that handstand, you go from full shoulder extension to full shoulder flexion in that handstand.
The whole time, you’re training those different vectors all the way through while you’re moving your body in space. I mean as far as just like a really good upper push, you really can’t do better than an L-sit to handstand and its variations. You can progress it to the rings. You can do it with straight legs. You can do it with a straight body. You can do it with straight arms. I mean it’s amazing. So I like it also because you can increase the skill level and not just increase the weight level. I will do both.
Ryan: Which is cool.
Max: I got a weight vest and I like to make it like a straight arm, straight body press or a straight arm pike press or – there are lots of ways that you can mix it up there, which I like.
Ryan: And in your book, I mean so many variations, which is great. It’s not just OK, let’s learn one movement and that’s it. It’s OK, here’s the main movement and here are all these different variations around it. I love that. Just very well thought out, but continue. I’m sorry I interrupted you there.
Max: No, that’s basically it for the L-sit to handstand. So the other end of that coin, obviously that’s the upper push. We need the upper pull now and obviously – this one was almost an obvious choice for me. It was the front lever and any variations thereof and it’s the pull variation of the L-sit to handstand really because you can take that front lever and make it more dynamic, which I love to do, which is like an ice cream maker or a tick-tock even which is one of my favorites now. “Skin the cat” as a nice progression to all those. We talked about quad dominant before, right? You’ve heard of [0:21:06] [Indiscernible] dominant as well.
Ryan: Yeah, yeah.
Max: Have you ever heard of lat dominance?
Ryan: No, dude. Why would you want to do that? That’s your back. You can’t see that in the mirror.
Max: Yeah. Well, that’s kind of my goal in life is I actually – I’m working on a new anatomy chart and it just has the lats and glutes and that’s it.
Ryan: I like that.
Max: It’s just the lats. It’s just the glutes.
Ryan: They just want to see the lats and the butts.
Max: Yeah, the lats and glutes. That’s what drives the ladies wild, which is why I’m here sitting on my living room floor with no furniture. So I can do movement stuff when I’m watching something.
Anyway, it’s great. So the front lever is awesome and the goal is that – listen, nobody is lat dominant. I mean that’s my goal. I want to be. I want to be like team flying squirrel. You know what I’m saying? I want to get those lats totally lit up and the beauty of it is, it does form like an X.
Max: The muscle of the lat goes actually across into the muscle of the opposite glute and vice versa on both sides. So it’s a very strong and stable structure. So combining that with the deadlift and the airborne lunge really does a fantastic job of strengthening that X which is something that’s very common in all exceptional athletes and the other nice thing about front lever is if you can nail a front lever, again, you’re going to have pretty strong abs and pull-ups are certainly going to seem like a joke when you can nail a front lever.
Ryan: So it’s almost like you thought about the program or something. It’s pretty wild. It’s almost like you took time to think about this, which – of course I’m taking a piss at you …
Max: I did.
Ryan: The beauty of it is, it’s – it is simple in the sense that it’s just these four and the variants of them and go ahead, sorry. Yeah.
Max: No, it’s great and it’s also tried and true because before I released the book, I experimented on my gym members for a long time, to see if they can hack it and the nice thing is part of what made me lay the book out the way I did was like, OK, these four movements are so awesome by themselves. Are there any gaps that for some people we might need to fill? So that’s where we get into accessory training. We get into conditioning and things like that, because listen, people want to sweat and stuff at the end of a training session.
Ryan: Oh, yeah.
Max: And it helped me figure out variations that everyone can do. So we don’t differentiate or I guess I could say we don’t segregate our classes based on skill level. So if you’re a 70-year-old woman or a 20-year-old stud man who’s super strong, you’re still going to be in the same class and there is going to be a variation that everyone can do.
Following this plan, we have tons of guys dead-lifting in the 400-pound range. We got plenty of guys in their 30s and 40s who are – again, they’re average guys doing L-sit to handstand. We got several people who can knock out straddle lever, full front lever.
Ryan: That’s cool.
Max: And it’s amazing. I hate to say it but dude, it’s not that complicated.
Ryan: Right, exactly. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Why do you have to complicate things? Yeah. Focus on the main things. Focus on the main things. Do them well and just do the practice, right? Yeah.
Max: It’s fun.[Music]
Ryan: A little bit about skill acquisition and I just mentioned the practice part of it. But these are skills and a lot of people might look at the front lever and they’re like, “I can’t do that.” But obviously you wouldn’t just start with it. But as far as skill acquisitions, what is the way that you kind of look at skill acquisition and how you practice it? I mean this of course programming and going into that kind of stuff. But like, basically …
Max: I just think it’s a worthwhile endeavor to learn new skills all the time. It’s better for your brain. It’s more sustainable. It’s more fun and I mean that’s the short answer really. It’s good for your brain to do new things and it’s better to let’s say work on some different L-sit to handstand, the “skin the cat” variations, for your brain and for your body overall than to let’s say just do another set of seated military presses for example.
I mean for me – and listen. I love to smash heavy weights as much as the next guy, trust me. But I mean it’s just nowhere near as fun.
Ryan: I agree with you on that, yeah.
Max: And you’re not gaining any new skills and I like the idea of being able to do new and different things and it’s a different level of accomplishment to be able to let’s say do that first L-sit to handstand.
Ryan: Right, right.
Max: Than it is to deadlift 500 pounds.
Ryan: Right, right.
Max: Now – and again, I love dead-lifting. It’s 25 percent of my four favorite exercises. But I mean there’s really nothing more satisfying than getting a new movement compared to just lifting more weight, because it’s – there’s no real good like end game for that.
Ryan: Sure, sure.
Max: It’s my point. It’s like …
Ryan: No, and that makes sense. Yeah. I mean …
Max: You get a lot of diminishing marginal returns on lifting heavier weights anyway. I mean for the average guy, dude, deadlift 500 pounds. Do it well. Do it for reps. Boom, done. Unless you weigh 300, then it’s – obviously you got to do that whole thing.
But you do get a lot of diminishing marginal returns and that’s an economics term obviously, but the more you lift isn’t necessarily going to correlate to you being a better athlete, which is why maybe I don’t go into so much detail about the deadlift. Maybe I don’t want you to have this 50-step checklist before you’re allowed to pick up a bar off the ground.
If you want to be a good athlete, you probably just need to be able to do it safely and as naturally and relaxed as possible. The goal isn’t to lift the most weight. The goal is to be the best athlete.
Ryan: Yeah, efficiency. Yeah.
Max: So you don’t want to sacrifice being a better athlete for more weight and you hear stories like this all the time, about guys who get a nosebleed going up the stairs, while they’re chasing the world record in squat or power lifting. This is no disrespect to them because they’re awesome strength athletes. But would I want to trade places? Hell, no. And maybe that’s because I’m a pussy and I don’t want the glory. But I just don’t care that much. What you will find is most people feel the same way that I do.
Ryan: Yeah, and that’s another reason that really I enjoy talking with you because you’re looking at yourself, about your goals, and not thinking that you have to do something just because somebody tells you, you need to be able to lift a certain percentage of weight and blah, blah, blah.
It drives me crazy that people tell other people just – I mean I like to think good is good enough. But how good do you really need to be? You just need to figure that out for yourself.
Max: That’s an individual journey.
Ryan: It’s the individual, right? It depends on your lifestyle, what you’re doing, and going back to the martial art thing, I competed. That’s what I did. I just competed over here. I mean I had to be pretty damn good. My life revolved around that. But when I retired from that, now, I get on the mat and I roll with somebody. I mean it’s cool. I’m good to go. I don’t need to train the way I used to train.
So that’s another thing about your book that really jumped out with me is you’re saying it’s OK. It’s OK not to have a particular deadlift – you know, a thousand-pound deadlift if maybe you work at an office all day and you’re sitting down.
Max: It has got to be sustainable.
Ryan: It has got to be sustainable.
Max: You got to be able to do it for the long term. It’s not about a short term plan.
Max: It’s about figuring out what works for you, that you can do over the long term and that’s what – like I said, that’s what all the great athletes have in common is they’ve been consistent for a long time. That’s it. That’s all you got to do is be consistent for a long time and you will get there.
Ryan: Yeah, yeah.
Max: That’s it.
Ryan: Love it, love it. I love it.[Music]
Ryan: Hey man, listen. Where can we find out more information about you? Of course we will have the link to your book and everything like that in there. But what about seminars? What about some workshops, homepage? Where can we find out more info about you?
Max: The easiest way to find me is either – if you’re looking at the book, UltimateAthleticism.com. You can find all the information you need there and then the other one is just my name, MaxShank.com and I will have all the information about some upcoming workshops that I will be teaching. I will be going over to Europe in the summer and I will be teaching all over the place.
Max: Hopefully I will find you there at some point.
Ryan: Yeah, no kidding.
Ryan: No kidding. Hey man, I want to say thank you so much for talking with me and I’m really looking forward to actually following up and having another chat sometime. So …
Max: Dude, I would love that. We don’t have to record it for everyone either. We can just chat.
Ryan: It will be our little private chat. So …[Laughter]
Ryan: All right, man. Thanks again.
Max: All right. Thank you man. Take care.[End of transcript]
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