There’s a lot of dogma in the fitness world, and it’s sad, really.
People limit themselves by thinking there’s only one way to get fit, or move better, or reach your goals.
In reality, we all function differently and can use many ideas and principles to reach our goals. As long as we’re cognizant of what we’re doing and why, it doesn’t matter what principle we follow.
Here’s a snippet of what Ryan had to say on the matter:
To think that you’ll be able to find one thing that can explain all movement – including dance, including gymnastics, including baseball – really, there is no such concept out there.
In this very special episode, Jarlo joins Ryan and Andy for the first time on the GMB Fitness Skills Show, and they’re all in the same place, to boot! Watch and/or listen as the “three musketeers” discuss some important concepts regarding movement principles.
- (01:00) We just had a great seminar at dkb Fitness in Santa Fe.
- (06:00) For a lot of more advanced moves, you need to train specific strength, not just get generally strong.
- (10:54) Recovery is a metabolic process, and you can’t always have control over that.
- (13:23) When you understand the basic principles and movement concepts, the next level of that same skill isn’t out of reach.
- (16:47) You have to make mistakes to learn.
Andy: All right. Welcome to the GMB Fitness Skills Show, the Uncomfortably Close Sitting Together Three Men on a Sofa Edition. For the next 30 minutes plus or minus we’re going to talk about getting strong, getting skilled and building fitness for things that you actually care about. So I’m Andy Fossett, Ryan Hurst, Jarlo Ilano. Let’s make the magic happen.[Music]
Jarlo: I think it’s great that the first podcast I’m on is the couch-cast.
Andy: It has only taken us 41 episodes to get you here.
Jarlo: I take a lot of convincing to get out in public but I think it’s worth it and it just makes sense. So we’re all in the same room together. Might as well get in the podcast.
Andy: Might as well.
Ryan: Might as well.
Andy: Might as well.
Ryan: So what are we doing together? This weekend, we had a seminar. We’re here in Santa Fe.
Andy: Lovely Santa Fe, New Mexico.
Jarlo: It’s pretty here.
Andy: It is very pretty.
Andy: It is very pretty and thank you to our very pretty seminar participants yesterday.
Jarlo: We had a lot of nice pretty people there.
Andy: We did, we did. We had made some pretty movement.
Ryan: Yes, we did.
Andy: Yeah. So today we’re going to talk about some of the things that we covered yesterday and since we’re all together, it’s really interesting when we get together and we get a chance to teach together, we learn a lot really quickly.
So we wanted to cover some of the things that came out of the seminar yesterday about – well, we talked recently on the podcast on the show about how certain things fit together and how things are integrated. But especially with Jarlo here, we want to talk a little bit more about that, how different sides of things work together and maybe give some examples that we used in the seminar but tried to explain them in a way that you can also visualize them without having been there.[Music]
Ryan: All right. So starting off, Jarlo, what are your thoughts on the seminar as far as …
Jarlo: Well, again, thinking back to that last podcast you guys did, like – and it’s a really common question. How do you fit things together? Everybody asked about certain progressions into movements and then we did that AMA earlier today, that Reddit, and the person had a question. He was like, “Well, where can I learn more about like the mechanics or the explanations of body weight movements as such?”
We’ve been in this a long time. So we’ve gone through a lot of different systems. We’ve seen it. We’ve gone through it and we’ve certified it in therapy. I’ve seen a lot of different things and there are a lot of people – not a lot but there are a few people out there that purport to have the keys to success, right?
These universal principles are these fundamental things that will never change no matter what. On the face of it, it just doesn’t make any sense. It can make sense. How can something transfer directly to another thing, then directly transfer to another thing? That’s why they’re things. They’re different. If everything was the same, a person good at this –
Andy: Life would be pretty simple.
Jarlo: It would be pretty simple. You’re good at this thing. You’re automatically good at this other thing. It just doesn’t happen. It’s not that you have to specialize in everything. But being so blanket of a statement like oh, you do this and you’re going to automatically be able to do this, do that, do this. It just doesn’t make sense on the face of it.
Andy: Well, it’s kind of – it’s not limited to fitness. Like nothing is limited to fitness but it’s pretty common that we want to find like a universal principle, right? Like that’s why religions are there. That’s why in physics, there’s always talk about finding the theory of everything, right? The unified principle that from which all physical laws can be intuited. But we haven’t found one yet and we also – we haven’t found one for physical movement either.[Music]
Andy: What do you think Ryan?
Ryan: Well, that’s just what you’re saying and so that’s why there are different movements. That’s why there are different things out there. So each person has a particular reason for creating what they created and so to think that you will be able to have one thing and it will explain all movement including dance, including gymnastics, including baseball. I mean really there is no concept out there.
Jarlo: But I think though let’s say going – so that’s a real global thing, right? Like this whole universe thing. But that doesn’t mean they can have common representational things. So that’s what I liked about this seminar. So you demonstrated certain movements that aren’t – you could call them archetypes for the movement above but it’s not that. It’s that they’re common – they have common features that if you work and you perfect and you master it at this level, that it makes it easier for you to get something at the next step.
Ryan: Instead of thinking that it needs to be complicated and there’s only one way to get there and making it simple and showing them what they can use in order to progress towards that. But like you said, I was thinking more global. But locally, there are certain patterns that you can use that will set you up for success with other movements and other transitions, so yeah.[Music]
Jarlo: So in this seminar, we’re working more on dynamic movements, right? So we’re working on the locomotor moves, like the bear, the monkey and all of that and how they transition into other more dynamic movements. But the one with the common questions, if you answer all these emails is things like planches.
Jarlo: Right? Things like those holds, iron cross and all these things. So with that, it’s not like you develop a strength and then you can do that, right? You develop a strength in something else like in pull-ups or I don’t know, like something really – like if you’re a kettlebeller. We had a lot of kettlebellers at this seminar. Like they’re strong, strong.
Andy: They’re strong.
Jarlo: They’re strong, strong, strong, right? It doesn’t mean they can automatically do an iron cross.
Jarlo: Right? But they’re strong and you can’t deny that.
Jarlo: So what would you say to people like – we always get the question, “What do I need to do to get the planche?” or “What do I need to do to get the iron cross?”
Andy: Is there a principle I can learn that will make me able to do the planche?
Jarlo: That’s something that’s …
Ryan: Yeah. Very, very specific and great question because I get it all the time and I think it comes back to looking at what kind of strength they’re working on. A lot of times, especially in the world in the circles that we’re involved with, people talk about the straight arm strength and the bent arm strength.
So going back to your example of the kettlebells, if you look at the pressing and even the swings, even though that is a straight arm movement; but going back to the presses, they’re going to have that strength in the shoulder and also of course in the elbow. But it’s not the kind of strength needed in order to perform the straight arm movements.
So just because they’re strong in one area, they’re not going to be strong in the straight arm strength area. So that’s why if you want to work on something like even the iron cross or the planche or even something as simple as the L-sit, you’re going to of course have to start at the very beginning and first of all, just work like on the hollow body plank hold.
So yesterday when I demonstrated the two movements that I feel are very important for us to have down with the rings, one of them was the top position and so that’s the straight arm strength needed and part of the movement that we use in order to teach that – not just the straight arm but also the position of the rest of the body that will lead towards being able to even start working towards the planche or the iron cross.[Music]
Jarlo: So going back to the seminar, there was this man there, extremely athletic.
Jarlo: He’s amazing.
Jarlo: And he hadn’t done any of this, right?
Jarlo: Then you put him in a handstand. He was holding it for like 30, 40 seconds.
Jarlo: Unreal, right?
Ryan: Crazy, yeah.
Jarlo: Then the same thing with like the variance of the iron cross. He’s almost able to do it, right?
Jarlo: So it’s not like saying you can’t have a general strength but you would need the sort of transitional move like a …
Andy: We should just clarify he did not just jump up and do an iron cross. He did a variation with Ryan helping in some very specialized skewing.
Jarlo: Really impressed.
Andy: It was very impressive but I just don’t want anyone to get the idea that there was a guy who was just so …
Jarlo: Well, Ryan got someone in iron cross in a day.[Crosstalk] [0:09:03]
Andy: Actually, if you guys are wondering, you can actually get the iron cross in a few hours.
Jarlo: If you were a former Olympic athlete.
Andy: If you were a former Olympic athlete, just come to our seminar and we can get you there.
Jarlo: And you get a 45-second handstand when you’ve never done a handstand before.
Andy: If you are a former Olympic athlete.
Ryan: For a special price.
Jarlo: But that’s the thing, right? He had this base level strength, athleticism, coordination. He had – another thing we worked on this weekend was the butterfly, right?
Jarlo: Never done it ever, right? Oh, god.
Ryan: And this comes to mind too. He had an understanding of his body and how to use his body. So – I think that’s a very important point to also say. So just having strength is good but unless you understand what you can do with your body and have that feeling where …
Jarlo: And that’s where you need the …
Ryan: And that’s what’s important.
Jarlo: That coach to take it further.
Ryan: Yes, yes.[Music]
Jarlo: There’s a lot of like in the stuff we do, bodyweight strength training and these tricks and acrobatics. It’s self-selecting. There’s going to be people that they’re going to – they’re interested in it. They’ve already had some kind of background. They’re kind of strong before they even get into it. So yeah, they’re going to become better.
Ryan: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Jarlo: You can tell them to just do this and they will do it. They will get stronger. They’re hardy, constitutionally hardy. That’s something that people really think about.
Jarlo: People that recover better just genetically. They can withstand this better.
Jarlo: Versus someone – we get lots of emails like I do this and I’m wrecked for a couple of days and it’s not like they’re weak. It’s not like they went too hard at it at first. It’s just they’ve been training but this stuff …
Andy: And like we’ve said before, like recovery is a metabolic process and it’s chemical processes and there’s a lot of things. You can’t always have control over that. It’s not a matter of training up to it even. It’s not a matter of supplements. It’s stuff that you might not be able to change.
Ryan: It’s a very good point. I mean we’re all coming into this at different levels, different bodies, different backgrounds. So in the seminars that we do, we see all of these different kinds of people and it’s really cool for us to be able to also learn each time we go to the seminar. It’s not just us preaching what we think people should know. It’s us learning and taking our information that we want to share and applying it to these particular people and then giving feedback directly as to how we’re teaching and if it’s making sense and helping those people. So, yesterday was just so awesome to see him. Just cranking this stuff out and …
Jarlo: [0:11:50] [Indiscernible]
Ryan: Yeah, that’s exactly right.[Music]
Andy: All right. So I also want to take it back to what we’re saying earlier about concepts and principles because it’s an interesting thing to think about and like you said, we’re teachers and so in teaching, we’re not just showing stuff. We’re also trying to teach the principle behind the movement but we also said that there’s no universal principle.
So I would like to give a few examples of some principles that are very useful and applicable but specifically don’t apply to other things. So one is – one of the things that we did yesterday, we talked about some basic tumbling moves and you were showing the butterfly kick and you mentioned several times about the lift and push, which comes up in a lot of flips, butterfly kicks, front back flips, pirouette. All of those have a lift and a push.
For example, if you’re doing – well, just the front flip, you lift the hips and push with the legs, right? If you’re doing an aerial, you lift with the rear leg, push with the front leg, right? There’s a lift and a push there. But if we go to a planche, where’s the lift and push?
Ryan: Yeah exactly.
Andy: There is not a lift and a push in a planche.
Ryan: Yeah. But this is interesting and so – and to get back to what you’re saying, it’s – and this is our seminars of course and how we do it is that we show and group things together so that the things that are related, people can actually get that understanding and move towards some of the more advanced movements faster because they understand the principle and the concepts being applied from the very beginning.
So instead of throwing one thing out, let’s say we want to work on the cartwheel right now. Then we go back and try to work on the planche where it’s something completely separate instead of that for – the monkey and how – to explain what we’re working towards, just started off with the monkey and then showed variations and gradually, the concepts that we introduced in the monkey kept coming up throughout each progression and by the time we got to the last one, they understood the concept and the principles that we were referring to. So that’s how we split things up.
Andy: And that’s a good thing about like if you have multiple goals or if you have different things that you want to try to fit together, like we talked about fitting things together. If you can find things that are organized around a similar principle …
Ryan: Yes, yes.
Andy: … you can work on different things at the same time and there is carryover and you can chase more than one goal at a time to an extent. But if you’re trying to put together things that don’t share a common principle, then you’re going to be having problems. You probably weren’t even thinking about this but you teach a lot of martial arts and when you teach a class, you probably keep a basic central principle through most of the course.
Jarlo: Yeah, in that hour.
Andy: In that hour, right?
Jarlo: Yeah, that’s right.
Andy: You will start warm-ups. You will start one drill, another drill, and they’re all working out the same thing, right?
Jarlo: Uh-huh, uh-huh.[Music]
Jarlo: All right. So what we were talking about like with the connection. What I really liked with Ryan is that he didn’t explicitly state it until after he took the participants fully through the process. With that, because when you go through it physically, and you work through it actively, then it’s going to mean more and you’re going to actually really integrate it and retain that information. It’s sort of like being a driver of the car or being a passenger in the car. You’re going to go to your destination and you get to the same place. But really if you’re the passenger, you don’t really understand what it takes to get …
Andy: You just listen to Billy Joel and …
Jarlo: That’s right. You listen to the radio. You’re daydreaming, right? We all have that experience and all of a sudden you’re there. Then maybe you’re the driver next time and its not like oh wow, I missed that stop or I missed that left turn that I should have took.
Andy: At Albuquerque.
Jarlo: And that’s the thing, right? So we’re in Santa Fe. You got to take that left turn at Albuquerque like the rabbit.
Jarlo: But for Ryan, what he did was he didn’t explicitly state what was happening until afterwards.
Andy: Yeah. He didn’t say, “Here’s the principle we’re going to be working on for the next 30 minutes.”
Andy: Yeah. He showed it and then he said, “Oh, did you guys notice? Here’s what you’re getting.”
Jarlo: Then you got a light bulb over the head. Yeah! Because they did. They actually did. They went through it and they did it.
Andy: So be the driver. It’s kind of what we’re saying, right? You got to – you can be a passenger. You can read stuff. You can do what everyone tells you to do but basically you’ve got to get out and you’ve got to drive your own car and you’ve got to experience what it’s like to shift through the gears and to take the metaphor further to the point of absurdity. But you’ve got to actually do it to get those motor patterns built into your body and to really get the light bulb to go off to where you do understand it.[Music]
Jarlo: You have to make the mistakes. I think a lot of people, they sort all this stuff. It’s because they don’t want to make mistakes or they don’t want to waste time.
Andy: Don’t want to waste time.
Ryan: The mistakes are where you learn.
Jarlo: Unfortunately, yeah. That’s the case. It’s not really a waste of time if you make those mistakes and you learn. Granted you want to be safe, you want to go through it. You don’t want to get injured. That’s true. But if you go through a program the way – a well-designed program, it is not going to happen. Maybe it won’t be the best for you but they will learn for the next time you go.
Ryan: Yeah. Just start on something and researching all these different stuff. Just focus on that one thing. Try it out and get off the computer and do it.
Jarlo: Well, and that’s the thing. Once you go and you try it out, then maybe that one of those things that that program said to do really works well and then another thing, you think, “Oh, that doesn’t work.” Well, now you know.
Jarlo: It’s not a race. We got our whole life to work on these things.
Andy: I only have until next week.
Ryan: You better start working.
Andy: I know.
Jarlo: Terminal illness is a sad, sad thing.
Andy: It’s a sad, sad thing.
Ryan: All right.
Andy: So on that happy note, we’re going to wrap up this show. But the point being is that you’ve got to try stuff and you’ve got to do stuff. Concepts are great. Concepts are important but none of them are universal and if you really want to figure out what those concepts are for the application you’re involved in, you just got to practice. You got to make mistakes and find your own light bulbs. Is that right?
Ryan: That’s good, find your own light bulbs.
Jarlo: I like it.
Ryan: Thanks for watching. See you next time.
Jarlo: See you next time.[End of transcript]
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